Too much chit-chat, not enough discussion...

Hi all,

There's been an increase in the number of "cute one-liners" on the
list lately, so I'd like to make my semi-regular reminder that I'd
like to discourage this as much as possible -- there are over 200
people subscribed to this list, and I think the majority of them
would like to see some nice, substantial discussions about UFO, not
watch a few people tossing back-and-forth one liners like they're in
a chat room.

So if this sort of thing keeps up, I'll have to switch the entire
list to moderated mode, and then these sorts of posts won't be
allowed. But of course, I don't really want to do this, as I'd much
rather spend my very limited amount of time getting around to
uploading all those juicy new UFO photos that Joe Occhiuto has sent
mee...


--
Marc Martin, [hidden email]

P.S. On the positive side, at least we're not having nasty arguments
and personal attacks like the SPACE:1999 and ITC_DVD lists currently
are!

Marc Martin wrote: I'm of the same opinion. Too much chatters lately ;-(
I need more discussion and useful information :-)
> --

Ciao
Mario
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In message <[hidden email]>, Mario Guatteri
<[hidden email]> writes
>I'm of the same opinion. Too much chatters lately ;-(
>I need more discussion and useful information :-)
>> --
>
>Ciao
>Mario

OK point taken. However, being, by self confession, one of the guilty
party in the chatter department, I would like to offer (firstly) my
apologies for any offence caused and (secondly) the following "in
defence" so to speak...

I am a self confessed 60's - 80's sci-fi junkie. I have been a lifelong
addict of WHO, (a programme I was weaned on) and a twenty year devotee
of Blakes 7. I have nigh on every video of the pair of them and
have been to several cons as well as being a full member of Horizon.
Also along the way, I got into Lost in Space (NOT the dreadful film, I'm
talking the original with Bill Mumy) I'm also a bit of a Trekkie - but
only as far as the original series with Kirk, Spock, Scotty, etc are
concerned. As far as Gerry Anderson is concerned; I grew up with
Thunderbirds and Stingray and have still got the original 45 rpm theme
tunes of both on vinyl as treasured possessions. I desperately tried to
get into Space 1999 but in the end that naff 1940's Errol Flynn movie
type soft screen focus on the female "heroine" got on my nerves in the
end... but that's all another genre and none of it belongs on this list,
I know.

Getting to UFO. Well - sadly, this is one of the programmes that I
instantly adored on it's original airing, but have only just
rediscovered after many years absence. I'll be honest here, I'm not a
great fan of modern TV programmes in general - most of my viewing time
is spent on what I personally consider was the finer era of television,
and so I tend to flick about, sometimes aimlessly, on sky looking for
something worthwhile to watch. This was how I came across the current
UFO screenings on the UK SKY Sci-fi channel and rekindled a VERY long
lost passion for this wonderfully evocative programme.

Nobody (but perhaps YOU all can) would believe how thrilled and relieved
I was when I came across Marc's incredible site and subsequently, the
quite remarkable Italian ISOSHADO site too. It was marvellously
comforting to know that there were SO many people, from all around the
world who also loved this long lost programme.

But then Sky pulled the plug. Ok - not for good, but nevertheless, I
only got to see 4 episodes - none of which have been on the "discuss"
agenda since I joined SHADO. Sheila from the list is very kindly
donating me her "spare" episodes on video to give me a chance to catch
up a bit. But I can't help thinking there must be others like me on
here - who maybe can't afford right now to give our credit cards a
pounding & buy the series outright on commercial video and so must rely
on whatever Sky or our trusty friends can supply us?

I can understand and fully sympathise with the frustration "one liners"
cause to UFO die-hards, but it is extremely difficult to do much else
if, like me, you are very eager to join in a discussion but are still in
the "infancy" of the programmes screenings.

I would therefore, (extremely respectfully!!!) point out that if
slightly more widespread topics of debate that could include ALL list
members, regardless of level of episode knowledge could be thrown into
"the arena" (for example individual character assassinations, set
design, props, and overviews of the viability of an organisation like
SHADO in real life 1980's etc.,) then this might go a long way towards
encouraging the level of "useful discussion" desired...
Di

on 5/15/01 2:23, Diane Bentley at [hidden email] wrote:

> I desperately tried to
> get into Space 1999 but in the end that naff 1940's Errol Flynn movie
> type soft screen focus on the female "heroine" got on my nerves in the
> end... but that's all another genre and none of it belongs on this list,
> I know.

That was exactly how i felt about Space 1999,i tried hard to like it but it
just wasn't UFO.I was gutted when UFO stopped,and that was it's replacement.

> Getting to UFO. Well - sadly, this is one of the programmes that I
> instantly adored on it's original airing, but have only just
> rediscovered after many years absence. I'll be honest here, I'm not a
> great fan of modern TV programmes in general - most of my viewing time
> is spent on what I personally consider was the finer era of television,
> and so I tend to flick about, sometimes aimlessly, on sky looking for
> something worthwhile to watch. This was how I came across the current
> UFO screenings on the UK SKY Sci-fi channel and rekindled a VERY long
> lost passion for this wonderfully evocative programme.

Me too,Di...UFO is the only t.v show i look forward to each week.I'm sorry
to hear that SKY has spoiled it for you.I can empathise,over Easter the show
went on hiatus for 2 weeks,i feared they had 'pulled the plug.' So its good
to meet another afficianado.
As far as i am concerned,if it's about UFO it belongs here,and i for one am
happy to discuss all things about UFO. So if you want to talk about set
design,costumes or make-up go for it,i'm listening. Speaking of which,it
seems that no matter how much pancake foundation Alec applies,it cant hide
his terrible complexion.I seem to have it in for our Alec dont i.

ChRis

..... leading on from previous post (and I know Marc will rap me very
severely on the knuckles for not waiting the proper time to ask) but
this is one of the only four stories I have on video and this niggle is
driving me absolutely nuts EVERY time I see it, so I hope someone can
put me out of my misery.......

In ESP - why does there, at no point, seem to be any possibility mooted
of Skydiver One being launched to intercept the UFO in the earth's
atmosphere and therefore WAY before it hits the house?
Di

I know this is not a lot to do with UFO, but I just found out that Douglas
Adams died on Friday. This is a terrible blow to English Sci-Fi and I for
one am shocked to the core by such an untimely death.

Grant.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Grant Wray [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2001 12:05 PM
To: '[hidden email]'
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Too much chit-chat, not enough discussion...

I know this is not a lot to do with UFO, but I just found out that Douglas
Adams died on Friday. This is a terrible blow to English Sci-Fi and I for
one am shocked to the core by such an untimely death.

Grant.

cv wrote:

> As far as i am concerned,if it's about UFO it belongs here,and
> i for one am happy to discuss all things about UFO. So if
> you want to talk about set design,costumes or make-up go for
> it,i'm listening. Speaking of which,it seems that no matter
> how much pancake foundation Alec applies,it cant hide his
> terrible complexion.I seem to have it in for our Alec dont i.
>

I doubt very much whether Alec would apply make-up to hide a
rough complexion - not really in character - although it was
certainly applied to George Sewell, for theatrical purposes
only of course. He does have a bumpy complexion but I think
he's kind of grown into it by now .. it helps to give him
that amiable 'lived in' look :)

By the way I had the same mail from Mike Billington that a
few other listers have referred to, in which he refers to the
upcoming ECLECTIC 21 event as "the first time Ed and myself
made a personal appearance together in Europe since U.F.O"
- however I don't think that's true - a friend of mine from
school, who was also a fan of UFO at the time, attended some
event at which MB & Ed Bishop appeared in the seventies.
I remember him telling me about it during a Physics class,
in either my fourth or fifth year at grammar school, probably
1974 or 1975.

Interestingly, my friend was wearing a very loud and
colourful shirt in somewhat dubious taste, and Ed specifically
complimented him on it.

CONTENTS DELETED

In message <B725E02C.89D%[hidden email]>, cv <[hidden email]>
writes
>Me too,Di...UFO is the only t.v show i look forward to each week.I'm sorry
>to hear that SKY has spoiled it for you.I can empathise,over Easter the show
>went on hiatus for 2 weeks,i feared they had 'pulled the plug.' So its good
>to meet another afficianado.

Funnily enough, I have a very good friend in NZ who has to get up
religiously in the very early hours to tape UFO because the timer on his
VCR is broken, poor lad. He's keen as mustard on the series too so good
on you guys!! Sky haven't dampened my spirits down yet - but it's fair
to say I'll probably never get to know the other episodes as well as I
know the four I keep rerunning at the moment!!! :)

>As far as i am concerned,if it's about UFO it belongs here,and i for one am
>happy to discuss all things about UFO. So if you want to talk about set
>design,costumes or make-up go for it,i'm listening. Speaking of which,it
>seems that no matter how much pancake foundation Alec applies,it cant hide
>his terrible complexion.I seem to have it in for our Alec dont i.
>
>ChRis
>
Well, like I said before, Alec to my mind, balanced UFO so well - he
gave it a very honest, human quality - that when you watch UFO today -
still helps make SHADO look a conceivably working operation...

Do I get a medal for defending Alec Freeman this vehemently BTW??? LOL
Di

"Hemmings, R.K." <rkh@l...> wrote:

> A real question:
> Had "velcro" been invented by the time UFO was made, and if so,
> was it used in any of the costumes? Moongal uniforms spring to
> mind (once every six seconds, of course <g>)? Angelo? Anyone?
>
> TTFN
> --
> Rob

Interesting point.
I think that many costumes in UFO used "velcro". This is visible in
some Straker's costumes when the jacket is open. In any case
the "velcro" material is invented and produced in 1941.

I find this information from:
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/1999/century/episodes/04/

VELCRO
1941

One day, after taking a walk in the woods with his dog, Swiss
inventor George de Mestral discovered that both his pet and his pants
were covered with burrs. Curious about the seed pods' sticking
qualities, de Mestral examined the burrs under a microscope.

He discovered that the burrs had small hooks that tangled themselves
on loops found in fur or cloth. He then decided to copy nature's
design -- and create a two-sided fastening device. The result was
called Velcro, taken from the two words "velour" and "crochet."

--
Angelo Finamore
--

> James wrote:
>
> > Interestingly, my friend was wearing a very loud and
> > colourful shirt in somewhat dubious taste, and Ed specifically
> > complimented him on it.

LOL well Ed has admitted he has no dress sense, see the UFO documentary.
>
<snip> Now, the question is, will the UFO 'nehru' style come back
> (or, indeed is it already here)? Or has it come back and
> gone, and is on it's way back again? Where did it go when
> it went if it did in fact go?

LOL well there is one in my latest Grattan catalogue. I also saw an anime
cartoon on tv and one of the characters was in a nehru collared suit. The
show was Gundam Wing.

Perhaps it's simply out to
> lunch? <g> (My tribute to the late, great, Douglas Adams)

<sad nod>
>
> A real question:
> Had "velcro" been invented by the time UFO was made, and if so,
> was it used in any of the costumes? Moongal uniforms spring to
> mind (once every six seconds, of course <g>)? Angelo? Anyone?

Yes of course it has been invented. Just go watch the scene when Ed and Alec
are preparing to search Foster's flat for listening devices in Court
Martial. Ed rips open his jacket when he is getting down to business.

Point to note here. You never see any of the characters do their nehru
jackets up do you. Because velcro is very fiddly to get done up and get it
just right, I guess.

Sheila

"A dEdicatEd Ed Strakerite"

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hemmings, R.K." <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2001 10:59 AM
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Too much chit-chat, not enough discussion...


> Now, the question is, will the UFO 'nehru' style come back
> (or, indeed is it already here)? Or has it come back and
> gone, and is on it's way back again? Where did it go when
> it went if it did in fact go? Perhaps it's simply out to
> lunch? <g> (My tribute to the late, great, Douglas Adams)
>
Hey! I like nehru jackets!

> A real question:
> Had "velcro" been invented by the time UFO was made, and if so,
> was it used in any of the costumes? Moongal uniforms spring to
> mind (once every six seconds, of course <g>)? Angelo? Anyone?
>
Saw an interview off of Marc's site where the actoress that played Ellis
said that the costume was a breeze to take off because of the velcro, but
was near impossible to put on (for the same reason). Remember the eps that
had Ellis disrobe (to a point) and put on that silver mini?

> TTFN
> --
> Rob
>

Rik Packham
http://www.rychardesrealm.net/

"Remember, where ever you go, there you are."
-Buckaroo Banzai

On Mon, 14 May 2001 15:31:03 Diane Bentley
<[hidden email]> asked:

<< In ESP - why does there, at no point, seem to be any possibility mooted
of Skydiver One being launched to intercept the UFO in the earth's
atmosphere and therefore WAY before it hits the house?>>

If memory serves me correctly, the intent was to capture a UFO intact;
hence Karlin was not called upon to blast the spinner out of the sky.
Furthermore, when you have this fact firmly in mind, it actually makes the
UFO's explosion in front of Foster's Mobile all that much more jarring.

Jeff Kuzma

James Gibbon wrote:

> Interestingly, my friend was wearing a very loud and
> colourful shirt in somewhat dubious taste, and Ed specifically
> complimented him on it.

ROFL!
<picturing Ed in his wonderful loud shirts>
{{8-)
===========
Marc Martin wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Here's an e-mail I just received from UFO fan Mark Henderson:
> -------
snip
> I for one did not know that Michael Billington knew George Harrison, as pointed
> out by one of your subscribers.

No, that was a joke - from a telegram written by George regarding a Paul
Foster ...

> However, it may be that timing was a simple factor in the equation.
>
> ORDEAL was filmed from August 8th - August 20th, 1969.
>
> The Beatles track "GET BACK" had just spent 17 WEEKS in the UK Pop Charts and
> was No. 1 for 6 WEEKS just before the episode was filmed.
> (and indeed was 12 WEEKS in the US Pop Charts and 5 WEEKS at No 1 also at the
> same time).

Well, there ya go!!
That explains that
<nod nod>

And I LOVED that party scene, so I don't care what y'all say about the
music dating the show - all I have to say to you folks who don't like
the music?
TTTTTHHHHHSSSSSSPPPPPPPTTTTTTTTT!
<sharing my bottle of blood wine with John, who knows good music when he
hears it>
============
"Hemmings, R.K." wrote:

> A real question:
> Had "velcro" been invented by the time UFO was made, and if so,
> was it used in any of the costumes? Moongal uniforms spring to
> mind (once every six seconds, of course <g>)? Angelo? Anyone?

Some of those nehru's Ed wore had velcro, didn't they?
And Ellis' outfit - when she does the quick change that got cut out of
the ep on Sci fi ..... ?
===========
James Gibbon wrote:

> While I agree that England isn't in Europe, I suspect that
> isn't what you meant. The event to which I referred took
> place in the North of England more than 18 years ago, but a
> few years after UFO, so in the pedantic geographical sense
> that England is a part of Europe in some sense (and the fact
> that the forthcoming convention is in Leicester suggests that
> he subscribes to this unfortunate point of view), what Mike
> said in fact isn't true. Not a terribly important point,
> and a simple mistake I'm sure.

JEESH! Can we give THIS thing a rest? Maybe Mike just forgot some remote
long ago get together - or maybe that wasn't a con your friend was
referring to and OF COURSE England is considered EUROPE! What? You think
you're Australia now? A continent all unto yourself??

> This wasn't a sci-fi convention - they were there only as minor

There ya go - it WAS NOT a convention, so <shrug>

> TV celebrities, MB being quite possibly better known back
> then for his part in The Onedin Line. I can't for the life
> of me remember what the event was and I wasn't there myself,
> but I clearly remember that my friend, who was a UFO fan,
> had been able to meet both Ed Bishop and Mike Billington,
> and had got their autographs.

They could have been at a grocery store together and your friend got
their autographs ....
==========
Marc Martin wrote:

> Because of the recent flurry of off-topic posts & one-liners,
> I've put a few select members into "moderated" mode.

Ut-oh. <hanging head in shame> Have I been a bad girl??
<slumping off wondering how long it will take for my posts to make it to
the list ...>
===========
Jeff Kuzma wrote:

> Today while reading my copy of eWeek, I was delighted to find a plug for
> the UFO Series Home Page. In the "Litter box Lynx" section of Spenser F.
> Katt's Rumor Central was a photo of Nina Barry and two Moonbase control
> sphere operatives. Underneath was the link ufo.simplent.com along with the
> heading "Do you remember this far-out 70s ci-fi show?"

KEWL! :-)
===========
Anyone listen to Art Bell? The other night they were talking about the
harangue that guy Tito has been getting from NASA since paying Russia 20
mill for a ride up to space (SHOOT! Wish I had 20 mill for a ride into
space!). They were speculating what they didn't want this civilian to
see up there on the space station - one guy thought it was military, but
the other guy pointed out that there are astronauts from several
different countries up there, so we couldn't hope to plot against
another country without them finding out. No, he speculated that several
countries are getting together to combat an ALIEN threat from the space
station ...

Yeah, I could just see Ed Straker yelling at NASA officials. And we
haven't been to the moon again because SHADO doesn't want the public to
know about their moonbase! <nod nod> I agreed with it all and knew SHADO
was at work - except, they wouldn't harangue the poor guy and tell him
he was unAmerican for going up in space - they would have just given him
a wee bit of coffee and he'd have forgotten all about whatever he saw on
the station ....

Okay, time to go ....

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Yuchtar" <[hidden email]>

> James Gibbon wrote:
>
> > Interestingly, my friend was wearing a very loud and
> > colourful shirt in somewhat dubious taste, and Ed specifically
> > complimented him on it.
>
> ROFL!
> <picturing Ed in his wonderful loud shirts>
> {{8-)

My thoughts exactly!
:-)

> ===========
> Marc Martin wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Here's an e-mail I just received from UFO fan Mark Henderson:
> > -------
> snip
> > I for one did not know that Michael Billington knew George Harrison, as
pointed
> > out by one of your subscribers.
>
> No, that was a joke - from a telegram written by George regarding a Paul
> Foster ...

ROFL!
Well, didn't know it would have quite *that* effect on people!
<giggle>
Just couldn't resist posting it!

> And I LOVED that party scene, so I don't care what y'all say about the
> music dating the show - all I have to say to you folks who don't like
> the music?
> TTTTTHHHHHSSSSSSPPPPPPPTTTTTTTTT!
> <sharing my bottle of blood wine with John, who knows good music when he
> hears it>

Hey! Phil and me want some, too! ;-)

Since Phil also wrote:

>To watch it in 1971 I agree, but now Get Back is as much a classic in the
>world of music as Forest Murmurs is!

I *must* second that!
Reading the preceeding posts about 'Ordeal's music' had me thinking exactly
the same thing!
:-)
And when *we* have a party, is there music from this year on?
I sincerely doubt it! Or, at least, not much!
;-)

Dunno... ;-)
I may have been, too!
So, I'll humbly apologize!
8-)
Heh heh heh!

And I'd like to mention to our new members (Welcome, People! ;-) that nice
advice I read somewhere, long ago, when I first join Marc's list: Read the
archives! :-)

I mean, to do that is getting to know what's already been said on a list...
And there is * a lot * of good stuff in there! Amazing!

Haven't had to check 'em since I joined, but I assume those from the time
before 'the switch over' to yahoogroups are still available somewhere...
Are they, Your Marcness?

--Anny

--- In SHADO@y..., Yuchtar <yuchtr@e...> wrote:
> James Gibbon wrote:
> > A real question:
> > Had "velcro" been invented by the time UFO was made, and if so,
> > was it used in any of the costumes? Moongal uniforms spring to
> > mind (once every six seconds, of course <g>)? Angelo? Anyone?
>
> Some of those nehru's Ed wore had velcro, didn't they?
> And Ellis' outfit - when she does the quick change that got cut out
> of the ep on Sci fi ..... ?

Velcro was invented in 1957 by Swiss engineer Georges de Mestral, who
also devised the name from the French words velours and croche'. His
inspiration came from the way cockleburs stuck to his clothes while
hiking in the mountains.

Very nice story and it seems to be true.

Harald

--- In SHADO@y..., Yuchtar <yuchtr@e...> wrote:
> Yeah, I could just see Ed Straker yelling at NASA officials. And we
> haven't been to the moon again because SHADO doesn't want the public
> to know about their moonbase! ...

Oh indeed. I would prefer the ordinary public space exploration to
continue. And public contact with the aliens, to learn what is going
on out there. I can't imagine that civilization would break down
merely because we find out that there is someone out there. There
might well be a long massive public excitement and sensation and
spaced-out-ness, but it would settle down. See
http://www.buckrogers.demon.co.uk/ufo/end.txt and
http://www.buckrogers.demon.co.uk/ufo/end2.txt for a UFO story
that I wrote exploring what might arise from that sort of time-line.

In message <XvDmkPAnw+$[hidden email]>, Diane Bentley
<[hidden email]> writes
I think it was because of the erratic flight of the UFO. It was being
led by Croxley's somewhat deranged ESP which made for the sort-of zig-
zag pattern into Earth's atmosphere.

Also, it made for a good story;-)
--
Suzanne Sutherland
aka drdougjackson

In message <002001c0dd91$21120780$[hidden email]>, Rik Packham
<[hidden email]> writes
>> Now, the question is, will the UFO 'nehru' style come back
>> (or, indeed is it already here)? Or has it come back and
>> gone, and is on it's way back again? Where did it go when
>> it went if it did in fact go? Perhaps it's simply out to
>> lunch? <g> (My tribute to the late, great, Douglas Adams)
>>
>Hey! I like nehru jackets!

So do I!! They suit both sexes.

I don't think Nehru collars ever went out of fashion in India;-)

I think they first made their appearance in Western Civilisation (not
meant in a facetious sense) in the '60s thanks to the fusion of the
Beatles and Eastern Culture. The Nehru collar wasn't seen again until
the early '90s when I looked in a clothing catalogue and nearly made a
puddle on the floor. I think, basically, the Nehru design has stayed
with us now. I see Anne Robinson (of The Weakest Link fame) wore a
Nehru-collar jacket in the States to look more intimidating.

Is this the reason Straker wore one??? To look more intimidating???


--
Suzanne Sutherland
aka drdougjackson