ex-military men next profession

Here are some things to think about.  Could it be possible for a career military man like Ed Straker to become a studio head?  Think about this.

Admiral Joe Fowler and General Joe Potter.  Both career military men.  After retiring from the military, both went to work for Walt Disney and helped build Disneyland and Walt Disneyworld.

So is it far fetched for Ed Straker to leave the military to become a studio head? nope.

Let me tell you about another gentleman who started in the scrap metal business, became one of the most best well known Studio heads, Louis B Mayer of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, MGM Studios.

Ex military can go on to do different things, and anyone can become a studio head.


Bruce

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I never saw Straker being a film studio head as as being a big reach. He seemed to fit right into the role. Of course we are talking about a man who holds a masters in astrophysics, not to mention all the other specialized training he had as an astronaut. I'm sure he was a very gifted individual.

And he had Miss Ealand of course, she was called a secratary, but in reality she was more like an executive assistant. *grin*


--- In [hidden email], "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:

There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility Seat.  Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the recording device because Ford accidently called on the speaker phone for ‘Commander Straker’.
It is no secret that Straker was in the American military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
So aren't ex-military still called by their military rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal, isn't it?
Bruce

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Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat.  Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for ‘Commander Straker’.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal, isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
[hidden email]

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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I am not sure about this, but in the US Military, especially the Navy, one can be a Commander, meaning he is in charge of a ship, but still be also a Captain too? Or do I have that backwards? A Captain is also a Commander?  But I think Colonel is more Army then Navy.

Still, he could tell his subordinates in the film studio to use Commander to remind everyone who is in charge??

Bruce

From: Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:01 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

 
Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat. Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for ‘Commander Straker’.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal, isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:11:38 AM, you wrote:

B> I am not sure about this, but in the US Military,
B> especially the Navy, one can be a Commander, meaning he
B> is in charge of a ship, but still be also a Captain too?
B> Or do I have that backwards? A Captain is also a
B> Commander?  

The officer in command of a Navy vessel is indeed the "Captain" of the ship. That's a title, like a job description. There is also "Captain" as a rank, but a Lieutenant, Lt. Commander, or full Commander may be the Captain of a given ship or boat.

B> But I think Colonel is more Army then Navy.

Ed Straker was a Colonel in the United States Air Force, which has no rank or title of "Commander," as I know it, except in connection with some context: Colonel Straker might be "Base Commander," for instance. But no-one would call him "Commander Straker" under those circumstances: it would always be "Colonel Straker."

B> Still, he could tell his subordinates in the film studio
B> to use Commander to remind everyone who is in charge??

Not impossible, of course, but it seems a little weird.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
[hidden email]

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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there are no  col.'s in the navy i think that rank is equal to lt. commander, but i am not sure, it has been a long time. a col. is a full bird. after that i think it s on to general ranked by * stars. in the navy generals are admirals. so whatever rank is under admiral.
but from what i have seen, commander just means in command. except of course in the navy, coast guard, and marines, where it is an actual rank.
jim

--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Bruce Sherman <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 7:11 AM


 



I am not sure about this, but in the US Military, especially the Navy, one can be a Commander, meaning he is in charge of a ship, but still be also a Captain too? Or do I have that backwards? A Captain is also a Commander? But I think Colonel is more Army then Navy.

Still, he could tell his subordinates in the film studio to use Commander to remind everyone who is in charge??

Bruce

From: Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:01 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat. Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for ‘Commander Straker’.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal, isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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But still, the *act* of Straker going after the tape would cause a real
reporter's spidey sense to go into overtime. If Jo was looking to record
something like a contract negotiation, or even something incriminating, it
didn't happen. Straker was out of the office.

The hand bag wasn't even in the office long enough to catch much of anything
- unless she was planning to plant a more hidden bug when she went back for
her purse. (Oooh - plot idea *grin*)

And SHADO's cover story should really be air-tight enough to cope with
something like Ford's voice being recorded in the office, even calling
Straker 'Commander'. Slips happen - but the call system shouldn't have had a
voice come over it at all unless the receive button was pushed. It was
necessary for the plot, but it really shouldn't have happened. (another of
those plot holes big enough to run Sky-diver through *grin*)

As some one has mentioned, calling a USAF Colonel 'Commander' would be a
little weird - but you could say that the studio has (or had) a wag from the
Navy (or who really liked Gilbert & Sullivan) who gave Straker a nick-name
(as in he's 'Commander' of the HMS Harlington-Straker or something) and
unfortunately for Straker, it stuck. *grin*.

Not saying it's a *good* cover story, mind you - it just has to be somewhat
plausible.

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

 

 

Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat. Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for 'Commander Straker'.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal,
isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
[hidden email] <mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com>

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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commander
lt. col.
wing commander.
 
the next step up would be;
capt.
col.
group captain
 
then onto commadore s and general s.
jim'

--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Jonathan Andrew Sheen <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jonathan Andrew Sheen <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 7:21 AM


 



Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 10:11:38 AM, you wrote:

B> I am not sure about this, but in the US Military,
B> especially the Navy, one can be a Commander, meaning he
B> is in charge of a ship, but still be also a Captain too?
B> Or do I have that backwards? A Captain is also a
B> Commander?

The officer in command of a Navy vessel is indeed the "Captain" of the ship. That's a title, like a job description. There is also "Captain" as a rank, but a Lieutenant, Lt. Commander, or full Commander may be the Captain of a given ship or boat.

B> But I think Colonel is more Army then Navy.

Ed Straker was a Colonel in the United States Air Force, which has no rank or title of "Commander," as I know it, except in connection with some context: Colonel Straker might be "Base Commander," for instance. But no-one would call him "Commander Straker" under those circumstances: it would always be "Colonel Straker."

B> Still, he could tell his subordinates in the film studio
B> to use Commander to remind everyone who is in charge??

Not impossible, of course, but it seems a little weird.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
[hidden email]

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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i believe, and this has probably changed since i first heard it,
that anything to do with boats, ships, and airplanes, including space travel falls under the authority of the navy. so since skydiver, and those shuttles to the moon are involved, that might be why the title of supreeme commander might be used. interesting complexity in the show. what authority commands shado, or is it one all on its own and only answers to a budget?
 i have to go, but i will be back in 6-7 hours.
jim

--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 7:43 AM


 



But still, the *act* of Straker going after the tape would cause a real
reporter's spidey sense to go into overtime. If Jo was looking to record
something like a contract negotiation, or even something incriminating, it
didn't happen. Straker was out of the office.

The hand bag wasn't even in the office long enough to catch much of anything
- unless she was planning to plant a more hidden bug when she went back for
her purse. (Oooh - plot idea *grin*)

And SHADO's cover story should really be air-tight enough to cope with
something like Ford's voice being recorded in the office, even calling
Straker 'Commander'. Slips happen - but the call system shouldn't have had a
voice come over it at all unless the receive button was pushed. It was
necessary for the plot, but it really shouldn't have happened. (another of
those plot holes big enough to run Sky-diver through *grin*)

As some one has mentioned, calling a USAF Colonel 'Commander' would be a
little weird - but you could say that the studio has (or had) a wag from the
Navy (or who really liked Gilbert & Sullivan) who gave Straker a nick-name
(as in he's 'Commander' of the HMS Harlington-Straker or something) and
unfortunately for Straker, it stuck. *grin*.

Not saying it's a *good* cover story, mind you - it just has to be somewhat
plausible.

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:02 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat. Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for 'Commander Straker'.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal,
isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
[hidden email] <mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com>

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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The title 'Supreme Commander' would make sense for the CO of all of SHADO.

Then we also have the title 'CO: Commanding Officer' which also applies.

SHADO answers to the IAC (International Astrophysical Commission) and
(according to Miall) a whole lot of 'gold braid'.

Miall's assumption appeared to be that the heads of the various world
militaries and intelligence agencies were aware of SHADO's existence, but
were not fully apprised of the full scope of its mission. (Considering
SHADO's assets and how they seem to have permission to go anywhere they were
needed and SHADO *was* able to interface quickly and easily with other
militaries to use landing strips and such, that seems to be a logical
assumption.)

We know that Henderson got copies of various reports sent to him and could
demand explanations from Straker as to what was going on. He didn't appear
to have the authority to censure Straker directly without the full force of
the entire committee behind him.

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of .
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:51 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

 

 

i believe, and this has probably changed since i first heard it,
that anything to do with boats, ships, and airplanes, including space travel
falls under the authority of the navy. so since skydiver, and those shuttles
to the moon are involved, that might be why the title of supreeme commander
might be used. interesting complexity in the show. what authority commands
shado, or is it one all on its own and only answers to a budget?
 i have to go, but i will be back in 6-7 hours.
jim

--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email]
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> > wrote:

From: Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 7:43 AM

 

But still, the *act* of Straker going after the tape would cause a real
reporter's spidey sense to go into overtime. If Jo was looking to record
something like a contract negotiation, or even something incriminating, it
didn't happen. Straker was out of the office.

The hand bag wasn't even in the office long enough to catch much of anything
- unless she was planning to plant a more hidden bug when she went back for
her purse. (Oooh - plot idea *grin*)

And SHADO's cover story should really be air-tight enough to cope with
something like Ford's voice being recorded in the office, even calling
Straker 'Commander'. Slips happen - but the call system shouldn't have had a
voice come over it at all unless the receive button was pushed. It was
necessary for the plot, but it really shouldn't have happened. (another of
those plot holes big enough to run Sky-diver through *grin*)

As some one has mentioned, calling a USAF Colonel 'Commander' would be a
little weird - but you could say that the studio has (or had) a wag from the
Navy (or who really liked Gilbert & Sullivan) who gave Straker a nick-name
(as in he's 'Commander' of the HMS Harlington-Straker or something) and
unfortunately for Straker, it stuck. *grin*.

Not saying it's a *good* cover story, mind you - it just has to be somewhat
plausible.

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:02 AM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat. Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for 'Commander Straker'.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal,
isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
[hidden email] <mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com>
<mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com>

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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Supreme Commander sounds a little too much.

Bruce

From: .
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:51 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

 
i believe, and this has probably changed since i first heard it,
that anything to do with boats, ships, and airplanes, including space travel falls under the authority of the navy. so since skydiver, and those shuttles to the moon are involved, that might be why the title of supreeme commander might be used. interesting complexity in the show. what authority commands shado, or is it one all on its own and only answers to a budget?
i have to go, but i will be back in 6-7 hours.
jim

--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Deborah Rorabaugh <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> wrote:

From: Deborah Rorabaugh <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession
To: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 7:43 AM

 

But still, the *act* of Straker going after the tape would cause a real
reporter's spidey sense to go into overtime. If Jo was looking to record
something like a contract negotiation, or even something incriminating, it
didn't happen. Straker was out of the office.

The hand bag wasn't even in the office long enough to catch much of anything
- unless she was planning to plant a more hidden bug when she went back for
her purse. (Oooh - plot idea *grin*)

And SHADO's cover story should really be air-tight enough to cope with
something like Ford's voice being recorded in the office, even calling
Straker 'Commander'. Slips happen - but the call system shouldn't have had a
voice come over it at all unless the receive button was pushed. It was
necessary for the plot, but it really shouldn't have happened. (another of
those plot holes big enough to run Sky-diver through *grin*)

As some one has mentioned, calling a USAF Colonel 'Commander' would be a
little weird - but you could say that the studio has (or had) a wag from the
Navy (or who really liked Gilbert & Sullivan) who gave Straker a nick-name
(as in he's 'Commander' of the HMS Harlington-Straker or something) and
unfortunately for Straker, it stuck. *grin*.

Not saying it's a *good* cover story, mind you - it just has to be somewhat
plausible.

_____

From: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:02 AM
To: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat. Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for 'Commander Straker'.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal,
isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com <mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com>

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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> Supreme Commander sounds a little too much.

As does "Supreme Headquarters Alien Defence Organisation"... :-)

Marc

LOL true.

Plus there is the thing with Anderson just seeming to like the title of
'Commander' - Commander Straker, Commander Koenig, etc.

So I'm thinking that as far as Anderson and the writers were concerned,
'Commander' is just a title for CO or 'boss', even though both men should
probably have been addressed by their military ranks.

I can't think of any real situation - aside from in the Navy where no matter
what the actual rank, the guy commanding the boat is the 'captain' - where
an officer would be addressed by their job title that way.

I could be mistaken, however.

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Bruce Sherman
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:50 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

 

 

Supreme Commander sounds a little too much.

Bruce

From: .
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:51 AM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>  
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

i believe, and this has probably changed since i first heard it,
that anything to do with boats, ships, and airplanes, including space travel
falls under the authority of the navy. so since skydiver, and those shuttles
to the moon are involved, that might be why the title of supreeme commander
might be used. interesting complexity in the show. what authority commands
shado, or is it one all on its own and only answers to a budget?
i have to go, but i will be back in 6-7 hours.
jim

--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Deborah Rorabaugh <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> wrote:

From: Deborah Rorabaugh <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession
To: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 7:43 AM

But still, the *act* of Straker going after the tape would cause a real
reporter's spidey sense to go into overtime. If Jo was looking to record
something like a contract negotiation, or even something incriminating, it
didn't happen. Straker was out of the office.

The hand bag wasn't even in the office long enough to catch much of anything
- unless she was planning to plant a more hidden bug when she went back for
her purse. (Oooh - plot idea *grin*)

And SHADO's cover story should really be air-tight enough to cope with
something like Ford's voice being recorded in the office, even calling
Straker 'Commander'. Slips happen - but the call system shouldn't have had a
voice come over it at all unless the receive button was pushed. It was
necessary for the plot, but it really shouldn't have happened. (another of
those plot holes big enough to run Sky-diver through *grin*)

As some one has mentioned, calling a USAF Colonel 'Commander' would be a
little weird - but you could say that the studio has (or had) a wag from the
Navy (or who really liked Gilbert & Sullivan) who gave Straker a nick-name
(as in he's 'Commander' of the HMS Harlington-Straker or something) and
unfortunately for Straker, it stuck. *grin*.

Not saying it's a *good* cover story, mind you - it just has to be somewhat
plausible.

_____

From: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:02 AM
To: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat. Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for 'Commander Straker'.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal,
isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

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Just wonder what he had against Majors?

James K.




________________________________
From: Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 1:40:58 PM
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

 
LOL true.

Plus there is the thing with Anderson just seeming to like the title of
'Commander' - Commander Straker, Commander Koenig, etc.

So I'm thinking that as far as Anderson and the writers were concerned,
'Commander' is just a title for CO or 'boss', even though both men should
probably have been addressed by their military ranks.

I can't think of any real situation - aside from in the Navy where no matter
what the actual rank, the guy commanding the boat is the 'captain' - where
an officer would be addressed by their job title that way.

I could be mistaken, however.

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Bruce Sherman
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:50 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

Supreme Commander sounds a little too much.

Bruce

From: .
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:51 AM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

i believe, and this has probably changed since i first heard it,
that anything to do with boats, ships, and airplanes, including space travel
falls under the authority of the navy. so since skydiver, and those shuttles
to the moon are involved, that might be why the title of supreeme commander
might be used. interesting complexity in the show. what authority commands
shado, or is it one all on its own and only answers to a budget?
i have to go, but i will be back in 6-7 hours.
jim

--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Deborah Rorabaugh <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> wrote:

From: Deborah Rorabaugh <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession
To: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 7:43 AM

But still, the *act* of Straker going after the tape would cause a real
reporter's spidey sense to go into overtime. If Jo was looking to record
something like a contract negotiation, or even something incriminating, it
didn't happen. Straker was out of the office.

The hand bag wasn't even in the office long enough to catch much of anything
- unless she was planning to plant a more hidden bug when she went back for
her purse. (Oooh - plot idea *grin*)

And SHADO's cover story should really be air-tight enough to cope with
something like Ford's voice being recorded in the office, even calling
Straker 'Commander'. Slips happen - but the call system shouldn't have had a
voice come over it at all unless the receive button was pushed. It was
necessary for the plot, but it really shouldn't have happened. (another of
those plot holes big enough to run Sky-diver through *grin*)

As some one has mentioned, calling a USAF Colonel 'Commander' would be a
little weird - but you could say that the studio has (or had) a wag from the
Navy (or who really liked Gilbert & Sullivan) who gave Straker a nick-name
(as in he's 'Commander' of the HMS Harlington-Straker or something) and
unfortunately for Straker, it stuck. *grin*.

Not saying it's a *good* cover story, mind you - it just has to be somewhat
plausible.

_____

From: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:02 AM
To: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat. Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for 'Commander Straker'.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal,
isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com <mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com>

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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Well, there were a few majors floating around SHADO - Louis Graham and Joe
Kelley, for instance - but the rest (all one of them) seemed to be 'outside'
specialists - bomb experts and such.  But not a lot of them as compared to
lieutenants and colonels, and not many captains except the guys commanding
Sky-divers - Captain Lauritzen was one. I don't recall at the moment any
non-coms - unless the 'unranked' security guys and techs were non-coms.

And then, what rank did the doctors have?

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Billy Killian
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 1:04 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

 

 

Just wonder what he had against Majors?

James K.

________________________________
From: Deborah Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
>
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wed, June 22, 2011 1:40:58 PM
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

 
LOL true.

Plus there is the thing with Anderson just seeming to like the title of
'Commander' - Commander Straker, Commander Koenig, etc.

So I'm thinking that as far as Anderson and the writers were concerned,
'Commander' is just a title for CO or 'boss', even though both men should
probably have been addressed by their military ranks.

I can't think of any real situation - aside from in the Navy where no matter
what the actual rank, the guy commanding the boat is the 'captain' - where
an officer would be addressed by their job title that way.

I could be mistaken, however.

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
Bruce Sherman
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:50 AM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

Supreme Commander sounds a little too much.

Bruce

From: .
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 10:51 AM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

i believe, and this has probably changed since i first heard it,
that anything to do with boats, ships, and airplanes, including space travel
falls under the authority of the navy. so since skydiver, and those shuttles
to the moon are involved, that might be why the title of supreeme commander
might be used. interesting complexity in the show. what authority commands
shado, or is it one all on its own and only answers to a budget?
i have to go, but i will be back in 6-7 hours.
jim

--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Deborah Rorabaugh <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> wrote:

From: Deborah Rorabaugh <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession
To: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 7:43 AM

But still, the *act* of Straker going after the tape would cause a real
reporter's spidey sense to go into overtime. If Jo was looking to record
something like a contract negotiation, or even something incriminating, it
didn't happen. Straker was out of the office.

The hand bag wasn't even in the office long enough to catch much of anything
- unless she was planning to plant a more hidden bug when she went back for
her purse. (Oooh - plot idea *grin*)

And SHADO's cover story should really be air-tight enough to cope with
something like Ford's voice being recorded in the office, even calling
Straker 'Commander'. Slips happen - but the call system shouldn't have had a
voice come over it at all unless the receive button was pushed. It was
necessary for the plot, but it really shouldn't have happened. (another of
those plot holes big enough to run Sky-diver through *grin*)

As some one has mentioned, calling a USAF Colonel 'Commander' would be a
little weird - but you could say that the studio has (or had) a wag from the
Navy (or who really liked Gilbert & Sullivan) who gave Straker a nick-name
(as in he's 'Commander' of the HMS Harlington-Straker or something) and
unfortunately for Straker, it stuck. *grin*.

Not saying it's a *good* cover story, mind you - it just has to be somewhat
plausible.

_____

From: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of
Jonathan Andrew Sheen
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:02 AM
To: mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

Hi, Bruce,

Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 9:59:24 AM, you wrote:

B> There is also this that bothered me about Responsibility
B> Seat. Straker feels he must go after Jo to get back the
B> recording device because Ford accidently called on the
B> speaker phone for 'Commander Straker'.
B> It is no secret that Straker was in the American
B> military, easily found out by people like Paul Foster.
B> So aren't ex-military still called by their military
B> rank? Or is this just something done with American ex-military only?
B> So if Jo listened to Straker being called commander, its no big deal,
isn't it?
B> Bruce

Straker's military rank was Colonel, not Commander.

--

Jonathan Andrew Sheen

http://www.leviathanstudios.com
Leviathan of the GEI (Detached.)
mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com <mailto:jsheen%40leviathanstudios.com>

"What'dya expect? I'm a New Yorker!"
-Anonymous New York Firefighter, 9/12/01

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Hi Deb - yes I've been confused a bit by the ranks in UFO but when I was writing fanfic I stuck to what was in the show - except for my pieces which are post-the show's time period and into this century - at that point I've upped Straker and Foster to Generals, made Peter Carlin an Admiral and killed off Henderson. I've used the rank of Lieutenant alot because I didn't know what else to do. TOS' ranking system was more like the navy. I don't know what the plan was (if there ever was any) for SHADO by the writers/producers - could this again be because it was a TV show and continuity in this area was not a big issue?

Cheers, Pam




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Yes, in the US Navy, and probably the British Royal Navy, the commanding officer of a vessel is refered to as Captain, even though he (or she) may be a Commander or Lt. Commander.

Straker's position was Commander in Chief, but he was still a full bird Colonel (O6) in the USAF. A Captain in the navy is the same rank as a Colonel in the army or air force.

Matt :)

--- In [hidden email], "Bruce Sherman" <brucesherman@...> wrote:

There were at least a couple of Majors, Maj. Graham, who roughed up Foster in Exposed and Maj. Kelly who worked on the electronic telescope in Close Up. The bomb disposal expert in The Long Sleep was a major as well. :)

Matt

--- In [hidden email], Billy Killian <sumitonjd@...> wrote:

In STtOS (I assume that's what you're referring to) Roddenberry specifically
chose Navy since a star ship is a 'ship'. but in later movies and series,
when Marines were introduced, it was with Army/Marine ranks. But Roddenberry
also stated that since everyone of a star ship should be an astronaut and US
astronauts were officers, a star ship was manned with officers - but even
then, I doubt the cooks were officers.

For SHADO, again, I doubt they were paying much attention - the Control Room
crew main characters were Lieutenants, the main action was handled by
Colonels. There was no organization chart or master list of departments or
duties that we can discern. But they never expected people to be looking for
details like that.

For myself, I would postulate that the missing majors and possibly Lt. Cols
are running their own non-combat sections. Graham was an 'electronics' man,
Kelley was electronics as well. The unnamed major in the Long Sleep was a
bomb expert, as was Captain Laurtizen. But somebody had to be in charge of
taking care of the mobiles and the trucks and the stationery and such.

But I've been noticing that the beige HQ uniforms have gold or orange braid
on the sleeve and the number of braids seems to vary from person to person.
Now, I haven't double checked for consistency, but maybe those are rank
markings.

 

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Pam
McCaughey
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 2:21 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: ex-military men next profession

 

 

Hi Deb - yes I've been confused a bit by the ranks in UFO but when I was
writing fanfic I stuck to what was in the show - except for my pieces which
are post-the show's time period and into this century - at that point I've
upped Straker and Foster to Generals, made Peter Carlin an Admiral and
killed off Henderson. I've used the rank of Lieutenant alot because I didn't
know what else to do. TOS' ranking system was more like the navy. I don't
know what the plan was (if there ever was any) for SHADO by the
writers/producers - could this again be because it was a TV show and
continuity in this area was not a big issue?

Cheers, Pam

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