possible alien explanation

> there. can anyone do anything with that one?
> jim

I do know one writer brave enough to try! *grin*
No that's not me. :)

I remember watching something about time travel on a news type program.  you just need to go fast.  Here is the example they spoke about.

They had two atomic clocks set to the same exact time.  one stayed put, the other was flown on a jet plane around the world.  When the plane landed, the clocks were no longer in sync, but the one in the plane was seconds slower then the one that was stationary.

Bruce
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  A good book to read on the reality of physical temporal travel is called "How to build a time machine", I forget the author, a Dr or Prof I think and it was in the popular science section from that bookshop that eludes me at the moment.

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  From: Matt <[hidden email]>
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  Time travel stories are loads of fun to write, I've written two (so far) and I have at least two more in my head. In one of my planned stories SHADO has managed to reverse engineer some of the temporal technology used by the aliens and a group of military brassheads (outside of SHADO) have caught wind of this breakthrough. Through political means they are able to gain access to the information which leads to World War 3. The aliens sieze the chance to come in and take over. This is a sequel to a story I wrote last year.

  This thread got me thinking about Timelash and the time manipulation and time travel aspect of that episode. I wrote an essay on the subject this morning.

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  > The postulations are just getting better, really enjoying the new ideas. Love the temporal storyline that the war was caused by Straker (is that correct?) and the aliens are from the future: and the other story that they are us BUT from the future.

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Oh yes, time travel to the future is most certainly possible. Hop on board a spaceship that is traveling at a sizable percentage of light speed and chart a circular course so that you end up back on Earth months later. You would find that years have passed on Earth.

The other neat thing about time is that it passes slower as you approach the gravity well of a planet or star. A friend of mine who belongs to the Time Nuts group did a science experiment with his children. They took two atomic clocks and placed one in a valley and the other on a mountaintop and mesured the difference between the two after a month. the mesured time difference was exactly what Einstein predicted it would be in his theory. Cool stuff.

This is most likely why I enjoyed Timelash so much.

Matt

Yes, this is true. If you traveled back into time you become part of the events and history so whatever you get up to, despite looking as if you have altered history, is history anyway. I bloody love this idea because it works.
I had a theory on linear time back in the '90s. All time, the past, the present and future are the same and one. What you have done in the past affects what you do now, your decision making in the present IE: I am going to study to become an Archtect, and several years down the timeline you are doing something like that because you made a decision in the past. Time is circular. Did I mention I bloody love this subject area?

Stevan

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      Quite accidental I assure you Pam, I think I started writing the story in May last year!  As for birthdays.., ( big grin here..) Mine is the same day as Ed Straker's (according to the script of The Patriot, which provides the only written evidence of his DoB.)



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> Hey Lightcudder May 19th is MY birthday!!!! Pam McCaughey

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>   My brain hurts.

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>   I did try to work out a simple explanation for the time travel paradox in a UFO story called AfterMath:

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>   Ths is my explanation at the end of the story:

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>   'There are lots of theories, but it's usually the simplest ones that are most likely.' Straker sat back behind his desk, its Perspex surface tidy and organised. `It's probably best to think of time as a piece of string. It goes in a line, but Janus made the string loop back upon itself, to rejoin the initial line and start a new path from where we managed to change history. May 19th to be exact. However, we travelled along the whole of the string, unlike everyone else, those who died. They were not on the string at the end of the loop, so they don't remember. Because we survived, we still have those memories. Don't worry too much about it. Just enjoy each day.'

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>   Whatever, it's sci-fi! Endless possibilities.

>   Lightcudder..

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>   > i think that if you go back in time, that already changes everything, so killing your own ancestry wont affect the you that is back in time, there simply wont be the you that went back in time born in the time line that you went back in time -in.

>   > jim

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> Still working on the final version. It will be posted on both yours and Deb's forum when it's finished.
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Matt,
It's up on my site now.  Go here: http://denisefelt.weebly.com/timelash-stopping-the-clock.html
Thanks for sharing your awesome essay!
Denise

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Yeah, I wondered about that one too, as I didn't know if astrophysics had progressed to the point where we could determine a pending supernova. Betelgeuse is huge. It's surface would extend outward to the orbit of Jupiter. I took an astrophoto of the star earlier this year http://mattsworldofastrophotography.weebly.com/my-work.html reviving a boyhood hobby. It's good to see another astronomer on the list.

I do agree, if the aliens are parked around Betelgeuse, it might be time to pack up and move! :)

one aspect of your essay i grasped right away, is like using a music studio to digitalize and then clean up  any segment selected in a song recorded. use the same kind of process in a micro second, break it up in to a signal or display and then as it is frozen there on your screen, you can clean it up, alter it in anyway, and then replay it anywhere in the time space selected. i dont know if this helps but thats what is saw right away in what you were saying.
jim

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--- In [hidden email], "Matt" <ka1bqp@...> wrote:
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> Still working on the final version. It will be posted on both yours and Deb's forum when it's finished.
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Matt,
It's up on my site now. Go here: http://denisefelt.weebly.com/timelash-stopping-the-clock.html
Thanks for sharing your awesome essay!
Denise








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>use the same kind of process in a micro second, break it up in to a signal or display and then as it is frozen there on your screen, you can clean it up, alter it in anyway, and then replay it anywhere in the time space selected.

That's a good analouge Jim. It seems to fit well. It's taken me a few years to really wrap my head around the goings on of what I consider a very complex plot. It might be good to speculate on what other reasons that the alien ship might have had for the energy field effect that cast Straker and Lake in photonegative. I'm sure the writer meant us to assume that this was the cause of the Timelash effect, but as I stated in the essay, that conclusion does not seem to fit the plot. Good topic for discussion. :)

Please excuse my slightly off topic comment here - I had pegged Straker as a Scorpio and altho I have the UFO book and read the Patriot, I don't recall a DOB being assigned to Straker. Pam McCaughey


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When I first saw Timelash (I think I mentioned before) it blew me away. The idea was so out thehe,writing is superb and the effects were cutting edge. I just bloody love the idea of expanding a moment of time instead of going back into time.

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      Oh yes, time travel to the future is most certainly possible. Hop on board a spaceship that is traveling at a sizable percentage of light speed and chart a circular course so that you end up back on Earth months later. You would find that years have passed on Earth.



The other neat thing about time is that it passes slower as you approach the gravity well of a planet or star. A friend of mine who belongs to the Time Nuts group did a science experiment with his children. They took two atomic clocks and placed one in a valley and the other on a mountaintop and mesured the difference between the two after a month. the mesured time difference was exactly what Einstein predicted it would be in his theory. Cool stuff.



This is most likely why I enjoyed Timelash so much.



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Hi,
 
> Please excuse my slightly off topic comment here
>- I had pegged Straker as a Scorpio and altho I have
> the UFO book and read the Patriot, I don't recall a
> DOB being assigned to Straker.
 
Canon doesn't assign any birthday to Straker and makes Bishop's own birthday the most likely date.
 
The Patriot however has him a Virgin, 21st of September.
 
Cheers
 
An



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Hi Pam,

I don't recall ever seeing anything in canon as to Ed's birthday. The complete book of UFO only states his birthplace as Boston MA and that is most likely conjecture based on the episode The Psychobombs. Deb has him as Jan 14, 1938 on her website. I think his DOB is open. BTW, I loved it when Ed out foxed ol' JR. *grin*

Matt

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> When I first saw Timelash (I think I mentioned before) it blew me away. The idea was so out thehe,writing is superb and the effects were cutting edge. I just bloody love the idea of expanding a moment of time instead of going back into time.
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The great thing about this Steve, is we got the benefit of both worlds. Not only do we get the expanded moment in time, we got the time travel aspect as well. When Straker and Lake drove onto the studio grounds they passed into a different time continuum traveling back two hours. The writer was most certainly thinking outside the box! :)

You nailed it there Matt. He was indeed thinking outside the box before the box had been invented! The moment when the SHADO car arrives into another time continuum I knew I was in for a ride. It is so errie and shot to make the best of this by employing those errie sound fx too. It is my second favourite and would have been No 1 if only for  the chasing of Turner and the car chase put me off; other than that the time element just blew me away.

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> When I first saw Timelash (I think I mentioned before) it blew me away. The idea was so out thehe,writing is superb and the effects were cutting edge. I just bloody love the idea of expanding a moment of time instead of going back into time.

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The great thing about this Steve, is we got the benefit of both worlds. Not only do we get the expanded moment in time, we got the time travel aspect as well. When Straker and Lake drove onto the studio grounds they passed into a different time continuum traveling back two hours. The writer was most certainly thinking outside the box! :)





   
     

   
   


 



 






     

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think of it as a top spinning and then you hit it the other way and it spins in reverse,and eventually runs down.
reversing everything in the target area into a molecular sequence that would later play out, run out and into normal polarization might do that, in fact, if there were a time traveling ufo out to stop the current era's ufo time tampering, then maybe straker and lake were set out of time for a reason, to stop them. being blown up by straker might be a very small price to pay, especially if disposable frankenstienauts were being used.
jim

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>use the same kind of process in a micro second, break it up in to a signal or display and then as it is frozen there on your screen, you can clean it up, alter it in anyway, and then replay it anywhere in the time space selected.

That's a good analouge Jim. It seems to fit well. It's taken me a few years to really wrap my head around the goings on of what I consider a very complex plot. It might be good to speculate on what other reasons that the alien ship might have had for the energy field effect that cast Straker and Lake in photonegative. I'm sure the writer meant us to assume that this was the cause of the Timelash effect, but as I stated in the essay, that conclusion does not seem to fit the plot. Good topic for discussion. :)








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Hi again,

and here is the exact quote, from pages 5 and 6 of the script:
 
 
         HE PICKS UP PAPER AGAIN AND STARTS
         LEAFING THROUGH IT.

                   FREEMAN
             When's your birthday ?

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8(cont)            STRAKER
             What... ? September 21st...
             Why?

                   FREEMAN
             Hmm.... Virgo

 
While not fanon, like the cited 14th of January that Deborah chose, or your Scorpio, the script - being unfilmed and rejected - is not exactly canon either, I'd hazard.
 
There's a lot conjecture out there about Straker's background anyway, much of which doesn't mesh gracefully with what are the established facts. So it's anyone's guess and my personal reason for going with the real b-date of Bishop. Quite much was transposed directly from the actors to the characters by the Andersons.

Virgo would fit nicely though, just as Gemini would ;-)
 
Cheers
 
An



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My only reasons for making Straker a Scorpio was his fierce dedication to his work, his almost pathological dedication to his own privacy and the fact that Scorpio is the only astrological sign with four totemic animals - plus the sign is considered to rule rebirth and regeneration. Cheers, Pam McCaughey




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  Hi Matt - many thanks for your comment vis a vis my cross over with Dallas - I did it on a dare actually! I've also done cross overs with shows like Rescue Me (Denis Leary) and a Canadian show called Trailer Park Boys (the latter also on a dare). I think making Straker a Capricorn would work as well as Scorpio because Cappies are very success oriented and prefer to be the bosses. They have their own POVs on how things should be done and god help any who disagree, ha ha! Hence Straker's continuing battle with Gen Henderson.

  Cheers, Pam McCaughey
   

  "BTW, I loved it when Ed out foxed ol' JR. *grin*"



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so im thinking this,
starker and lake are heading for shado hq which is then at that time outside it, micro time expanded and the ufo decides to quit taking pot shots at them and let whats his name have his meltdown about straker being the ''big maaaaaaaaaan'', and changes them for a few moments to let them in the expanded micro time unit, knowing that they would slow down and be trapped too.
jim

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You nailed it there Matt. He was indeed thinking outside the box before the box had been invented! The moment when the SHADO car arrives into another time continuum I knew I was in for a ride. It is so errie and shot to make the best of this by employing those errie sound fx too. It is my second favourite and would have been No 1 if only for  the chasing of Turner and the car chase put me off; other than that the time element just blew me away.

--- On Mon, 2/21/11, Matt <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Subject: [SHADO] Re: Time travel stuff (aka) timelash
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, February 21, 2011, 11:13 PM

 

--- In [hidden email], Stevan Warburton <stevanbcool@...> wrote:

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> When I first saw Timelash (I think I mentioned before) it blew me away. The idea was so out thehe,writing is superb and the effects were cutting edge. I just bloody love the idea of expanding a moment of time instead of going back into time.

>

The great thing about this Steve, is we got the benefit of both worlds. Not only do we get the expanded moment in time, we got the time travel aspect as well. When Straker and Lake drove onto the studio grounds they passed into a different time continuum traveling back two hours. The writer was most certainly thinking outside the box! :)

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