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Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't  personally investigate each incident, otherwise why did he bother with something  that happened ten years ago?

As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits in roughly 1974 - 1975.  And... did they have field agents? I don't remember any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

LtCdr.



--- In [hidden email], "D.A. Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
> 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
> agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
> field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per agent.
>
>  
>
>  

In AQoP Straker mentions 'our people in New York'.

Absence of mention does not automatically constitute absence in fact. They
never mentioned the people delivering supplies to the Sky-diver bases but we
can assume they exist. They didn't mention Las Vegas or Portland, Maine
either.

Straker would have had access to other agency reports. As Griff pointed out
a few days ago, SHADO was well connected with other agencies. SHADO and
Straker were not functioning in a vacuum so there's no compelling reason to
assume he didn't use those resources.

And even if the postulated time frame for the recruitment of Ford and
company was '74-75 or even later, there still had to be people working with
Straker, Freeman, and Henderson on the construction projects. Somebody had
to arrange the concrete delivery and the permits on the office block.

There had to be liaisons to other agencies, people interfacing with various
governments well before that time.

And Straker bothered with something that happened ten years before because
he was personally involved. He was driving the car.

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Lightcudder
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
ago?

As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

LtCdr.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
> 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
> agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
> field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
agent.
>
>
>
>





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> > Straker was followed to the meeting with Ford and the others
> > while Mary was pregnant
>
> Correct.
>
> > (1971-72)
>
> Wrong.
>

I've been watching this thread most of the afternoon (while doing other things). Here is ny nickel's worth, I would not say that anyone is wrong about anything. All of the opinions that have been put forth have their own merit and their own problems. Since these events were not detailed on screen, it becomes a matter of speculation and conjecture. :)

I do not believe that HQ was ready when Straker and Co. had their all night meeting at Nina's flat. Would they not have met in Straker's office? It would have been much more secure, no bugs or unwanted surveillance. I can only assume that there was still work going on at HQ that prevented it. Or a plothole so big I could drive a Markers Universal van through it.

I believe Straker's marriage lasted from 1970 to 1973 which would put Q of P in the 1981 time frame. I also think that The Long Sleep was in 1984 even though Straker clearly said "1970, Paul." We have to remember that a few of the episodes spanned quite a bit of time. The Dalotek Affair, Close Up, Exposed, The Man Who Came Back, to name a few. For me, it would be a reach to put them all in one year.

Plotholes, bloopers, and continuity errors, the bane of a low budget TV show. But I'm sure we all agree on one thing, the good far outweighed the bad. :)

--- In [hidden email], "Matt" <ka1bqp@...> wrote:

> Plotholes, bloopers, and continuity errors, the bane of a low budget TV show. But I'm sure we all agree on one thing, the good far outweighed the bad. :)
>

Okay, Matt.  Are you quoting my essay on the subject?  *grin*  Yes, I completely agree.  UFO was a low budget sci-fi tv show with a producer that wasn't as fanatical about continuity as his American counterpart, Gene Roddenberry (whose tv show came out about the same time.)  And it shows in the glaring errors throughout the series.  BUT.  We still love UFO!  Can't help it!  Even with Star Trek's superior performance with continuity, UFO excels above it in many ways.  Why?  Because it was an awesome premise and riveting sci-fi.  And it still is today.  There.  Now you've got my two cents worth. *wink*
Yours,
Denise

Talking about re-supplying Sky Diver bases, Didn't Straker once chew out Ford for forgetting to send a message about refueling in code?  Also when they tried Paul on treason, one of the messages they accused him of sending to the newspapers was also refueling information??

Bruce
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: D.A. Rorabaugh
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:36 PM
  Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers


   
  In AQoP Straker mentions 'our people in New York'.

  Absence of mention does not automatically constitute absence in fact. They
  never mentioned the people delivering supplies to the Sky-diver bases but we
  can assume they exist. They didn't mention Las Vegas or Portland, Maine
  either.

  Straker would have had access to other agency reports. As Griff pointed out
  a few days ago, SHADO was well connected with other agencies. SHADO and
  Straker were not functioning in a vacuum so there's no compelling reason to
  assume he didn't use those resources.

  And even if the postulated time frame for the recruitment of Ford and
  company was '74-75 or even later, there still had to be people working with
  Straker, Freeman, and Henderson on the construction projects. Somebody had
  to arrange the concrete delivery and the permits on the office block.

  There had to be liaisons to other agencies, people interfacing with various
  governments well before that time.

  And Straker bothered with something that happened ten years before because
  he was personally involved. He was driving the car.

  _____

  From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
  Lightcudder
  Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
  To: [hidden email]
  Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

  Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
  incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
  ago?

  As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
  in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
  any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

  LtCdr.

  --- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
  Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
  >
  > Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
  > 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
  > agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
  > field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
  agent.
  >
  >
  >
  >

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There were errors in Star Trek too.  The most famous is the second pilot staring William Shatner, Where no man has gone before.  In it they show Capt James Kirks tombstone.  The problem was his middle name, The tombstone read James R Kirk.   But I am sure everyone knows his middle name was Tiberius.

Bruce
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Neesierie
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 9:07 PM
  Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers


   


  --- In [hidden email], "Matt" <ka1bqp@...> wrote:

  > Plotholes, bloopers, and continuity errors, the bane of a low budget TV show. But I'm sure we all agree on one thing, the good far outweighed the bad. :)
  >

  Okay, Matt. Are you quoting my essay on the subject? *grin* Yes, I completely agree. UFO was a low budget sci-fi tv show with a producer that wasn't as fanatical about continuity as his American counterpart, Gene Roddenberry (whose tv show came out about the same time.) And it shows in the glaring errors throughout the series. BUT. We still love UFO! Can't help it! Even with Star Trek's superior performance with continuity, UFO excels above it in many ways. Why? Because it was an awesome premise and riveting sci-fi. And it still is today. There. Now you've got my two cents worth. *wink*
  Yours,
  Denise



 

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And how about the best one (IMHO) In the series, Spock states that Vulcan
has no moon. So what was that hanging in the sky over Vulcan? (well before
Wise fixed it)  :-)

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Bruce Sherman
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 8:52 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

There were errors in Star Trek too. The most famous is the second pilot
staring William Shatner, Where no man has gone before. In it they show Capt
James Kirks tombstone. The problem was his middle name, The tombstone read
James R Kirk. But I am sure everyone knows his middle name was Tiberius.

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: Neesierie
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 9:07 PM
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "Matt"
<ka1bqp@...> wrote:

> Plotholes, bloopers, and continuity errors, the bane of a low budget TV
show. But I'm sure we all agree on one thing, the good far outweighed the
bad. :)
>

Okay, Matt. Are you quoting my essay on the subject? *grin* Yes, I
completely agree. UFO was a low budget sci-fi tv show with a producer that
wasn't as fanatical about continuity as his American counterpart, Gene
Roddenberry (whose tv show came out about the same time.) And it shows in
the glaring errors throughout the series. BUT. We still love UFO! Can't help
it! Even with Star Trek's superior performance with continuity, UFO excels
above it in many ways. Why? Because it was an awesome premise and riveting
sci-fi. And it still is today. There. Now you've got my two cents worth.
*wink*
Yours,
Denise

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Oh yes. The refueling schedules would have given people ideas about where
the sub might be - but no mention was ever given about delivering food or
stationery out to the bases. So is someone is going to assume that something
didn't exist because it wasn't mentioned. Well, an awful lot of things
weren't mentioned. :-)

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Bruce Sherman
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:45 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

Talking about re-supplying Sky Diver bases, Didn't Straker once chew out
Ford for forgetting to send a message about refueling in code? Also when
they tried Paul on treason, one of the messages they accused him of sending
to the newspapers was also refueling information??

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: D.A. Rorabaugh
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

In AQoP Straker mentions 'our people in New York'.

Absence of mention does not automatically constitute absence in fact. They
never mentioned the people delivering supplies to the Sky-diver bases but we
can assume they exist. They didn't mention Las Vegas or Portland, Maine
either.

Straker would have had access to other agency reports. As Griff pointed out
a few days ago, SHADO was well connected with other agencies. SHADO and
Straker were not functioning in a vacuum so there's no compelling reason to
assume he didn't use those resources.

And even if the postulated time frame for the recruitment of Ford and
company was '74-75 or even later, there still had to be people working with
Straker, Freeman, and Henderson on the construction projects. Somebody had
to arrange the concrete delivery and the permits on the office block.

There had to be liaisons to other agencies, people interfacing with various
governments well before that time.

And Straker bothered with something that happened ten years before because
he was personally involved. He was driving the car.

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
Lightcudder
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
ago?

As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

LtCdr.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
> 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
> agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
> field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
agent.
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident,

 

Um, actually, there IS evidence that he didn't investigate each incident. In
Long Sleep Straker says 'Colonel, as I recall, the last report I read.'

So at least the more recent of those reports could not have been
investigated by Straker personally otherwise he would not need to read them.
Therefore SHADO does have people writing reports and investigating what went
into those reports. While there is no direct mention of people 'out there'
investigating things, I think it's a fair assumption that they exist and
probably have existed for a long time.

We know that SHADO has access to missing person reports, police reports
(homicide and arson reports would be logical), and intel from other
agencies. (The missing person reports are specifically mentioned.)  So some
of those 'field' investigators may not even belong to SHADO - their reports
were intercepted by or CCed to a SHADO agency, evaluated for relevance and
passed on to HQ.

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Lightcudder
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
ago?

As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

LtCdr.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
> 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
> agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
> field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
agent.
>
>
>
>





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

doesnt it say in the first pilot or whatever flash back show it was [ pardon me i just woke up and havent even had a cup of coffee yet]
straker; 'we've got one-a real verified picture of a landed ufo''. or something like that?
so there are others in some pre-shado agency that investigated and reported to the airforce and to the world councel section on those matters according to cannon.
that should settle the question once and for all.
but there was a lot more activity on this yesterday when people were discussing what kind of car straker should have had.
jim

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 7:21 AM


 



Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident,

Um, actually, there IS evidence that he didn't investigate each incident. In
Long Sleep Straker says 'Colonel, as I recall, the last report I read.'

So at least the more recent of those reports could not have been
investigated by Straker personally otherwise he would not need to read them.
Therefore SHADO does have people writing reports and investigating what went
into those reports. While there is no direct mention of people 'out there'
investigating things, I think it's a fair assumption that they exist and
probably have existed for a long time.

We know that SHADO has access to missing person reports, police reports
(homicide and arson reports would be logical), and intel from other
agencies. (The missing person reports are specifically mentioned.) So some
of those 'field' investigators may not even belong to SHADO - their reports
were intercepted by or CCed to a SHADO agency, evaluated for relevance and
passed on to HQ.

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Lightcudder
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
ago?

As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

LtCdr.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
> 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
> agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
> field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
agent.
>
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]








[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

That discussion was referring to the Carlin film - which, since it had full
chain of evidence, could be used as proof of the existence of UFOs.
(Henderson specifically mentions that the film was found undeveloped and in
the camera, hence chain of evidence.)

As for Straker's car - as head of a film studio (as well as head of SHADO),
he should have had a driver/bodyguard and the car should have been big,
powerful, and suitable for armoring. His time should be considered too
valuable to be wasted driving himself around.

But that's not exactly sexy, so his car would be sleek, powerful and
suitable for armoring. So choose whatever stock model you like that fits the
first two criteria and send it to the armorer. *grin*

 

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of .
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:03 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

doesnt it say in the first pilot or whatever flash back show it was [ pardon
me i just woke up and havent even had a cup of coffee yet]
straker; 'we've got one-a real verified picture of a landed ufo''. or
something like that?
so there are others in some pre-shado agency that investigated and reported
to the airforce and to the world councel section on those matters according
to cannon.
that should settle the question once and for all.
but there was a lot more activity on this yesterday when people were
discussing what kind of car straker should have had.
jim

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email]
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> > wrote:

From: D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> >
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 7:21 AM

 

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident,

Um, actually, there IS evidence that he didn't investigate each incident. In
Long Sleep Straker says 'Colonel, as I recall, the last report I read.'

So at least the more recent of those reports could not have been
investigated by Straker personally otherwise he would not need to read them.
Therefore SHADO does have people writing reports and investigating what went
into those reports. While there is no direct mention of people 'out there'
investigating things, I think it's a fair assumption that they exist and
probably have existed for a long time.

We know that SHADO has access to missing person reports, police reports
(homicide and arson reports would be logical), and intel from other
agencies. (The missing person reports are specifically mentioned.) So some
of those 'field' investigators may not even belong to SHADO - their reports
were intercepted by or CCed to a SHADO agency, evaluated for relevance and
passed on to HQ.

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
Lightcudder
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
ago?

As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

LtCdr.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
> 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
> agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
> field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
agent.
>
>
>
>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

How do we know it wasn't armored slightly short of being a tank and had both a
supercharger and turbo boost and other mods to the engine to make it go oh 400
kph or about 248 mph.

James K.




________________________________
From: D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, June 12, 2011 11:10:43 AM
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 
That discussion was referring to the Carlin film - which, since it had full
chain of evidence, could be used as proof of the existence of UFOs.
(Henderson specifically mentions that the film was found undeveloped and in
the camera, hence chain of evidence.)

As for Straker's car - as head of a film studio (as well as head of SHADO),
he should have had a driver/bodyguard and the car should have been big,
powerful, and suitable for armoring. His time should be considered too
valuable to be wasted driving himself around.

But that's not exactly sexy, so his car would be sleek, powerful and
suitable for armoring. So choose whatever stock model you like that fits the
first two criteria and send it to the armorer. *grin*

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of .
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:03 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

doesnt it say in the first pilot or whatever flash back show it was [ pardon
me i just woke up and havent even had a cup of coffee yet]
straker; 'we've got one-a real verified picture of a landed ufo''. or
something like that?
so there are others in some pre-shado agency that investigated and reported
to the airforce and to the world councel section on those matters according
to cannon.
that should settle the question once and for all.
but there was a lot more activity on this yesterday when people were
discussing what kind of car straker should have had.
jim

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email]
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> > wrote:

From: D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> >
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 7:21 AM

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident,

Um, actually, there IS evidence that he didn't investigate each incident. In
Long Sleep Straker says 'Colonel, as I recall, the last report I read.'

So at least the more recent of those reports could not have been
investigated by Straker personally otherwise he would not need to read them.
Therefore SHADO does have people writing reports and investigating what went
into those reports. While there is no direct mention of people 'out there'
investigating things, I think it's a fair assumption that they exist and
probably have existed for a long time.

We know that SHADO has access to missing person reports, police reports
(homicide and arson reports would be logical), and intel from other
agencies. (The missing person reports are specifically mentioned.) So some
of those 'field' investigators may not even belong to SHADO - their reports
were intercepted by or CCed to a SHADO agency, evaluated for relevance and
passed on to HQ.

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
Lightcudder
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
ago?

As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

LtCdr.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
> 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
> agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
> field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
agent.
>
>
>
>

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Hey, SHADO only has the best armorers. *grin*

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Billy Killian
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 9:46 AM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

How do we know it wasn't armored slightly short of being a tank and had both
a
supercharger and turbo boost and other mods to the engine to make it go oh
400
kph or about 248 mph.

James K.

________________________________
From: D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> >
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sun, June 12, 2011 11:10:43 AM
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 
That discussion was referring to the Carlin film - which, since it had full
chain of evidence, could be used as proof of the existence of UFOs.
(Henderson specifically mentions that the film was found undeveloped and in
the camera, hence chain of evidence.)

As for Straker's car - as head of a film studio (as well as head of SHADO),
he should have had a driver/bodyguard and the car should have been big,
powerful, and suitable for armoring. His time should be considered too
valuable to be wasted driving himself around.

But that's not exactly sexy, so his car would be sleek, powerful and
suitable for armoring. So choose whatever stock model you like that fits the
first two criteria and send it to the armorer. *grin*

_____

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Of .
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:03 AM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

doesnt it say in the first pilot or whatever flash back show it was [ pardon
me i just woke up and havent even had a cup of coffee yet]
straker; 'we've got one-a real verified picture of a landed ufo''. or
something like that?
so there are others in some pre-shado agency that investigated and reported
to the airforce and to the world councel section on those matters according
to cannon.
that should settle the question once and for all.
but there was a lot more activity on this yesterday when people were
discussing what kind of car straker should have had.
jim

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email]
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> > wrote:

From: D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> >
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 7:21 AM

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident,

Um, actually, there IS evidence that he didn't investigate each incident. In
Long Sleep Straker says 'Colonel, as I recall, the last report I read.'

So at least the more recent of those reports could not have been
investigated by Straker personally otherwise he would not need to read them.
Therefore SHADO does have people writing reports and investigating what went
into those reports. While there is no direct mention of people 'out there'
investigating things, I think it's a fair assumption that they exist and
probably have existed for a long time.

We know that SHADO has access to missing person reports, police reports
(homicide and arson reports would be logical), and intel from other
agencies. (The missing person reports are specifically mentioned.) So some
of those 'field' investigators may not even belong to SHADO - their reports
were intercepted by or CCed to a SHADO agency, evaluated for relevance and
passed on to HQ.

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
Lightcudder
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
ago?

As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

LtCdr.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
> 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
> agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
> field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
agent.
>
>
>
>

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Hmm  ... 248 mph is a leeeeeettle  excessive! Especially on narrow English country roads.  Even 70mph is   pretty nearly impossible on those. I  give him a Jaguar Sentinel at the moment. Armoured,  bomb-proof, classy. (Our Prime Minister has one!)
LtCdr
--- In [hidden email], Billy Killian <sumitonjd@...> wrote:

Hi,

I understood Commander Straker's SHADO car was supposedly powered by a gas turbine - in UFO reality that is - not as an Anderson film prop. Also, I suppose it explains the turbine-like sound, and all the air intake vents at the front of the vehicle.

Regards, Griff

> --- In [hidden email], Billy Killian <sumitonjd@> wrote:
> >
> > How do we know it wasn't armored slightly short of being a tank and had both a supercharger and turbo boost and other mods to the engine to make it go oh 400kph or about 248 mph.

James K.

In Psychobombs, it does show the car has some safety features built into it.  Who is to say it also isn't bullet proof?

Bruce
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: D.A. Rorabaugh
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 12:10 PM
  Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers


   
  That discussion was referring to the Carlin film - which, since it had full
  chain of evidence, could be used as proof of the existence of UFOs.
  (Henderson specifically mentions that the film was found undeveloped and in
  the camera, hence chain of evidence.)

  As for Straker's car - as head of a film studio (as well as head of SHADO),
  he should have had a driver/bodyguard and the car should have been big,
  powerful, and suitable for armoring. His time should be considered too
  valuable to be wasted driving himself around.

  But that's not exactly sexy, so his car would be sleek, powerful and
  suitable for armoring. So choose whatever stock model you like that fits the
  first two criteria and send it to the armorer. *grin*

  _____

  From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of .
  Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:03 AM
  To: [hidden email]
  Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

  doesnt it say in the first pilot or whatever flash back show it was [ pardon
  me i just woke up and havent even had a cup of coffee yet]
  straker; 'we've got one-a real verified picture of a landed ufo''. or
  something like that?
  so there are others in some pre-shado agency that investigated and reported
  to the airforce and to the world councel section on those matters according
  to cannon.
  that should settle the question once and for all.
  but there was a lot more activity on this yesterday when people were
  discussing what kind of car straker should have had.
  jim

  --- On Sun, 6/12/11, D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email]
  <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> > wrote:

  From: D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> >
  Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
  To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
  Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 7:21 AM

  Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
  incident,

  Um, actually, there IS evidence that he didn't investigate each incident. In
  Long Sleep Straker says 'Colonel, as I recall, the last report I read.'

  So at least the more recent of those reports could not have been
  investigated by Straker personally otherwise he would not need to read them.
  Therefore SHADO does have people writing reports and investigating what went
  into those reports. While there is no direct mention of people 'out there'
  investigating things, I think it's a fair assumption that they exist and
  probably have existed for a long time.

  We know that SHADO has access to missing person reports, police reports
  (homicide and arson reports would be logical), and intel from other
  agencies. (The missing person reports are specifically mentioned.) So some
  of those 'field' investigators may not even belong to SHADO - their reports
  were intercepted by or CCed to a SHADO agency, evaluated for relevance and
  passed on to HQ.

  _____

  From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
  [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
  Of
  Lightcudder
  Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
  To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
  Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

  Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
  incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
  ago?

  As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
  in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
  any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

  LtCdr.

  --- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
  <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
  Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
  >
  > Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
  > 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
  > agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
  > field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
  agent.
  >
  >
  >
  >

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I would think a low key car with lots of extras.

Bruce
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Lightcudder
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 1:04 PM
  Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers


   
  Hmm ... 248 mph is a leeeeeettle excessive! Especially on narrow English country roads. Even 70mph is pretty nearly impossible on those. I give him a Jaguar Sentinel at the moment. Armoured, bomb-proof, classy. (Our Prime Minister has one!)
  LtCdr
  --- In [hidden email], Billy Killian <sumitonjd@...> wrote:
  >
  > How do we know it wasn't armored slightly short of being a tank and had both a
  > supercharger and turbo boost and other mods to the engine to make it go oh 400
  > kph or about 248 mph.
  >
  > James K.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > ________________________________
  > From: D.A. Rorabaugh <momkat@...>
  > As for Straker's car - as head of a film studio (as well as head of SHADO),
  > he should have had a driver/bodyguard and the car should have been big,
  > powerful, and suitable for armoring. His time should be considered too
  > valuable to be wasted driving himself around.
  >
  > But that's not exactly sexy, so his car would be sleek, powerful and
  > suitable for armoring. So choose whatever stock model you like that fits the
  > first two criteria and send it to the armorer. *grin*
  >



 

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Of course the customizer/armorer would have added bullet proofing to
Straker's original car - it's obviously been customized and armor is a
standard customization.

 

  _____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
Bruce Sherman
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 2:07 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

 

 

In Psychobombs, it does show the car has some safety features built into it.
Who is to say it also isn't bullet proof?

Bruce
----- Original Message -----
From: D.A. Rorabaugh
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>  
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 12:10 PM
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

That discussion was referring to the Carlin film - which, since it had full
chain of evidence, could be used as proof of the existence of UFOs.
(Henderson specifically mentions that the film was found undeveloped and in
the camera, hence chain of evidence.)

As for Straker's car - as head of a film studio (as well as head of SHADO),
he should have had a driver/bodyguard and the car should have been big,
powerful, and suitable for armoring. His time should be considered too
valuable to be wasted driving himself around.

But that's not exactly sexy, so his car would be sleek, powerful and
suitable for armoring. So choose whatever stock model you like that fits the
first two criteria and send it to the armorer. *grin*

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of .
Sent: Sunday, June 12, 2011 8:03 AM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

doesnt it say in the first pilot or whatever flash back show it was [ pardon
me i just woke up and havent even had a cup of coffee yet]
straker; 'we've got one-a real verified picture of a landed ufo''. or
something like that?
so there are others in some pre-shado agency that investigated and reported
to the airforce and to the world councel section on those matters according
to cannon.
that should settle the question once and for all.
but there was a lot more activity on this yesterday when people were
discussing what kind of car straker should have had.
jim

--- On Sun, 6/12/11, D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email]
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> > wrote:

From: D.A. Rorabaugh <[hidden email] <mailto:momkat%40dandello.net>
<mailto:momkat%40dandello.net> >
Subject: RE: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Date: Sunday, June 12, 2011, 7:21 AM

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident,

Um, actually, there IS evidence that he didn't investigate each incident. In
Long Sleep Straker says 'Colonel, as I recall, the last report I read.'

So at least the more recent of those reports could not have been
investigated by Straker personally otherwise he would not need to read them.
Therefore SHADO does have people writing reports and investigating what went
into those reports. While there is no direct mention of people 'out there'
investigating things, I think it's a fair assumption that they exist and
probably have existed for a long time.

We know that SHADO has access to missing person reports, police reports
(homicide and arson reports would be logical), and intel from other
agencies. (The missing person reports are specifically mentioned.) So some
of those 'field' investigators may not even belong to SHADO - their reports
were intercepted by or CCed to a SHADO agency, evaluated for relevance and
passed on to HQ.

_____

From: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf
Of
Lightcudder
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 3:26 PM
To: [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [SHADO] Re: UFO Bloopers

Hi, there is nothing to say that Straker didn't personally investigate each
incident, otherwise why did he bother with something that happened ten years
ago?

As for field agents, according to canon, they had the first set of recruits
in roughly 1974 - 1975. And... did they have field agents? I don't remember
any mention of agents, although I might be mistaken of course. ;-)

LtCdr.

--- In [hidden email] <mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:SHADO%40yahoogroups.com> , "D.A.
Rorabaugh" <momkat@...> wrote:
>
> Why make the assumption that Straker personally investigated each of those
> 7000+ reports? Those reports could well have been forwarded from other
> agencies - If we assume SHADO had field agents from the beginning, just 10
> field investigators would take that number down to a few a month per
agent.
>
>
>
>

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Hi,

I am not sure if the following links will help with dates, and if you have seen these before, please excuse me. They are screen captures from the UK UFO DVD Set, and these particular ones are from DVD #2.

My guess is that the text was researched and written by Chris Bentley. Whilst most of Chris' writing is always meticulously researched, much of the text in these is just pure fiction (i.e. non UFO canon), and could have been written by many people on this list.

Anyway, there are some 'facts', and dates mentioned:-

#1 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-01.jpg
#2 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-02.jpg
#3 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-04.jpg
#4 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-06.jpg
#5 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-08.jpg
#6 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-10.jpg
#7 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-11.jpg

Please make of it, what you will. Again, if you have seen these before, please excuse me.

Regards, Griff

Hi,

I am not sure if the following links will help with dates, and if you have seen these before, please excuse me. They are screen captures from the UK UFO DVD Set, and these particular ones are from DVD #2.

My guess is that the text was researched and written by Chris Bentley. Whilst most of Chris' writing is always meticulously researched, much of the text in these is just pure fiction (i.e. non UFO canon), and could have been written by many people on this list.

Anyway, there are some 'facts', and dates mentioned:-

#1 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-01.jpg
#2 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-02.jpg
#3 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-04.jpg
#4 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-06.jpg
#5 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-08.jpg
#6 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-10.jpg
#7 - http://www.griffwason.com/UFO_CharacterProfile-11.jpg

Please make of it, what you will. Again, if you have seen these before, please excuse me.

Regards, Griff